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  • Northwood Switching to Frameless Windows?

    I see on the Northwood site, their brand new campers are being equipped with 'frameless windows'.

    One reason we purchased a Northwood product, was that the windows all opened (ether horizontally or vertically). That allowed for fresh air into the trailer and a nice cross-breeze while camping.

    The 'frameless windows' only open outward a couple of inches on the bottom. To get a breeze, one of the ceilings exhaust fans must be used to draw air into the windows.

    Hopefully, Northwood isn't going to be extending these windows to their trailer product line.

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  • #2
    We totally agree with Dave. The frameless windows look nice but we far prefer functionality.
    Bob P
    2008 Ford F350 Super Cab 6.4 PSD 4x4
    2018 AF 29-5T

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    • #3
      I’m one who has never cared that much for the look of the frameless and have read on other forums some issues they have. One of the biggest benefits of the AF line is how well insulated they are with the dual pain windows one of the factors. I would wonder how well they seal up over time compared to the Hehr line that is tried and true.
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      • #4
        What's "funny" is when we went to the Portland RV show looking for a 5th wheel, we spoke with the sales person guy who came from the La Grande plant to talk with prospective buyers about all the good qualities of the Fox and the way they are made. One of the many pluses he spoke to us about the Fox were the double pane windows Northwood uses. He spoke about the double pane windows being "tride and true" and that they intentionly did not switch over to the frameless windows when other companies did. He even made a point that the frameless windows can not be fully open AND if a rock would hit the edge of the window, it would shatter.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Copper865 View Post
          What's "funny" is when we went to the Portland RV show looking for a 5th wheel, we spoke with the sales person guy who came from the La Grande plant to talk with prospective buyers about all the good qualities of the Fox and the way they are made. One of the many pluses he spoke to us about the Fox were the double pane windows Northwood uses. He spoke about the double pane windows being "tride and true" and that they intentionly did not switch over to the frameless windows when other companies did. He even made a point that the frameless windows can not be fully open AND if a rock would hit the edge of the window, it would shatter.
          During the 2018 rally, Donna & I were walking through one of the new 5th wheel trailers on display, and two of the Northwood managers happened to be sitting inside.

          We got to talking to them and they asked about our AF experiences. We talked about our 29-5t 5th wheel and the upgrades, in the newer units.

          We then voiced our dislike of the new main bedroom window, that did not open. We told them that fresh air was a key part of the camping experience and the two small slide windows that did open, weren't going to cut it with many buyers.

          The two managers looked at each other and one started taking notes. I got the feeling that the new 'solid' bedroom window wasn't popular with the factory ether.

          Sure enough, the 2019 main bedroom window was replaced with half-opening unit.

          Hopefully those managers will be around again during the 2020 rally...
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          • #6
            As I understand it, Lippert bought Hehr RV windows last year and immediately shut them down. The only volume supplier is now LCI who makes the windows found in new NW’s, and frameless found in most other manufacturers production. I know NW was trying to source another manufacturer so as not to use LCI for windows or a frameless but as of last fall that hadn’t happened. Frameless, unfortunately, seems to be in NW’s future. Someone else may have another version to this tale, but it came from a reliable source. The new opening bedroom window mentioned above is a LCI product, not Hehr, which explained why it wouldn’t open smoothly or even lock when I tried to open it on a display model, it’s a Lippert.
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            • #7
              So it looks like frameless windows are available in both single pane and dual glazed. I wonder what Northwood plans to use?


              Bill
              Bill, Mary, and Scottie
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              • #8
                And future replacement needs will be?
                Peter and Fran
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kramden View Post
                  As I understand it, Lippert bought Hehr RV windows last year and immediately shut them down.
                  Hopefully not!? I do see that Hehr RV windows still come up for sale on Google, but it is a bit confusing. Other than the landing page at Hehr.net, it all seems to redirect to a site called Parkin accessories: http://www.parkin-acc.com/page19.html
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                  • #10
                    Hmm, ever consider asking your customers? One factor that we considered when purchasing our Arctic Fox was the windows NOT being frameless. While I don't know if we will ever buy another trailer, it is disappointing to hear that this may be happening. Yesterday I was at the Tampa RV Show and I noticed more windows that would actually slide side to side or up and down. The majority of the units/windows were the ones that popped open a few inches, but I see a bit of a new trend developing.
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                    • #11
                      Update. NW is currently producing an entire run of frameless windows in the camper line only. They are informing dealers it’s just a single run, and, the windows are suppose to be dual pane. No indication if this is a test, or they couldn’t find adequate supply of sliders.
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                      • #12
                        I was told at the Boise rv show that the frameless windows in the Trailer Life camper ad were just for the Legacy special edition. Hopefully this is true but we just wait and see.
                        Bob P
                        2008 Ford F350 Super Cab 6.4 PSD 4x4
                        2018 AF 29-5T

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kramden View Post
                          Update. NW is currently producing an entire run of frameless windows in the camper line only. They are informing dealers it’s just a single run, and, the windows are suppose to be dual pane. No indication if this is a test, or they couldn’t find adequate supply of sliders.
                          Oh how I hope your information is golden! We have a 27-5l in production. The sliding windows and ventilation are important to us. It's a relief seeing your post.
                          2020 27-5L. 2019 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD 4x4 6.6 Durmax/Allison

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kramden View Post
                            As I understand it, Lippert bought Hehr RV windows last year and immediately shut them down. The only volume supplier is now LCI who makes the windows found in new NW’s, and frameless found in most other manufacturers production. I know NW was trying to source another manufacturer so as not to use LCI for windows or a frameless but as of last fall that hadn’t happened. Frameless, unfortunately, seems to be in NW’s future. Someone else may have another version to this tale, but it came from a reliable source. The new opening bedroom window mentioned above is a LCI product, not Hehr, which explained why it wouldn’t open smoothly or even lock when I tried to open it on a display model, it’s a Lippert.
                            To confirm, I talked with several of the employees at Thunder RV when we picked up our new 25Y. I had complained to the salesman, Mike, that the dual pane sliding windows were hard to open and the screens did not fit well. He said, as Kramden did above, that Lippert had bought out Hehr and dissolved the company. They now make them under their own subsidiary and they work nothing like the wonderful sliders we had on our 2012. I believe the technical term for the new windows is “crappy”. If NW goes exclusively to the frameless windows it’s because they haven’t found a functional slider to substitute for the old ones. Wayne, the service guy, said he’s had several calls about the new sliders being subpar. I concur with that.
                            Mark and Anita
                            2020 25Y dutifully following a 2014 F-350 diesel SB

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ProfQuinn View Post

                              I believe the technical term for the new windows is “crappy”.
                              Funny and sad at the same time.
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